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Nice use of the Crate Powerblock as a back-up I'm guessing.... I just bought one for that exact reason...


Ha!  That thing belongs to my drummer actually, they're not all that bad but personally I'd never use one let alone record with it.  If my shit breaks I beg & borrow amps from friends :pimp

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Hey Frank, let's call it 'semi-pro' ha ha haha

That Zoom Q3 handheld I used to film these clips is only $250 my man, it sounds awesome and the mics are super hi-quality but it's only for recording one-at-a-time performances or something like that.  


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rgency snowfall. My house and car buried in 3 feet of snow and no power for days, firgid temps. BRRRRR

Man that thing sounds incredible. I saw Tony Iommi I think in one of the mags using it but figured it was just another gimmick but heck yeah that's incredible. Video too! Do you have that acoustic clip I can see/hear?

Thanks! I'm gonna peep one.

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Yo, far as I can tell from the specs the Q3 uses the same X-Y microphones as their H2 model that Iommi used, gotta' say I'm getting great results with it.  I should have some acoustic stuff done and postable after this weekend.  The guy I play the gigs with owns a repair shop and also took my place in the working cover band I walked from so his schedule is pretty nuts to work with, as long as he can show up this-coming Sat/Sun I should have acoustic as well as more tracking vid clips to slap up.

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Ah! Cool! Can't wait to hear it! So the Iommi one is different! Thought they were both the same thing. That's really amazing that it can do video and sounds great!

Question, when I went and saw Trower, end of 09, I snuck in a small Panasonic video cam (ipod sized) with a 4gig SD card. I was up front row and the volume was loud but wasn't unbearably loud. So I go back home to check it out on the PC and the video looks great for when I was able to take it before the security guard swooped down on me, but the audio is completely muffled probably from being too loud to record?

So would the Q3 auto compensate for the loud volume and give me a clear recording? This is the same problem I also almost always run into with my Boss BR864 when recording live in that I either have the input and record levels set too hot with nasty digital distortion or too low and I wind up trying to do several 3db boosts to the entire mix which kind of kills the natural quality.

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Actually yes the Q3 can be level set for the situation.  In your concert situation the sound pressure levels had to have been pretty brutal for the small mic in your recorder to handle and blaring/woofing is the result... sometimes even putting a mic-screen/ball over the microphone section isn't enough to compensate but the Q3's settinghs of Lo-Auto-High can cover it all so far :Thumbs  

When I set it down about 3-4' from the Egnater cab in my clips my genius ass left it on 'auto', it shut down to a degree and made the audio bearable but if I had set it to low (since the amp was screaming loud) it probably would have come through a lot clearer.  I set it to Auto for playing acoustic into it and use Lo only for high SPL environments like full band practice or a concert (can always boost it if need be in my recording software) and only have ever used the Hi setting for speech/interviews or just talking random song ideas into it when I'm in the car and can't play what's going on in my head at the moment.

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Woah! That's great info! Thanks a lot! I want one of those bad now!

Only setback is I need a new neck for one of my Strats and trying to score a VM 425a cab before the purple ones go extinct. So that'll be number 3. Gotta kick into high gear on sales next week to pull some extra loot together!

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Okay fellas, here we go, more tracking session footage as promised.  If you can't already tell I'm just about as much into the documentary and screwing around as the actual job at hand so I leave all the extra stuff in my clips since it's more fun to watch.  There are 4 new ones up on YouTube now from this past Sunday, I honestly don't know how my drummer got his wife to go along with us recording for 7 hours on Valentine's Day but it was very productive and we're down to the last of our 10 tunes for rhythm tracks, color me stoked b/c it's gonna' be GAME ON when we get to solos!!! :jam

There's one more track of the Vintage Modern with the SD-1 in front of it for a final pass on a tune that's in the earlier clips.  The rest are different songs using my JCM 800 reissue (bright cap mod/clipped) and my secret weapon, the Soldano-designed T-100 Yamaha head.  The way that head reacts to picking and punches with brutality and clarity is just sick beyond words but that's because I had it modded back to Soldano spec.  The mods involved a Mercury Magnetics choke which was the most significant, then the recommended filter caps required to bridle the beast b/c the choke opened it up so much, then I had it converted to use EL-34's b/c the factory 6L6 tubes were not my thing and I wanted more of a hybrid Marshall vibe... so, to my ears, it's like the lovechild of a MesaBoogie Mark IV, Soldano SLO-100 and a hot-rodded Marshall b/c the gain structure/frequency response/clarity/note definition/power section 'bark' are all inherent of those amps.  It's the only head I usually plug straight into :dance

So anyway, check 'em out and lemme' know what ya think  :Cheers









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Video 1 rocked, looked like a good time and you were into it. Good bedroom rock.

Video 2 was cool because it had  Marshalls, pussy and beer in it, doesn't get any better than that.

Video 3 I really like the tone you dialed in.

What recording software and hardware interface are you guys using?

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Erikk awesome videos man! Crushing tone!

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Great stuff Erikk! Especially Video 3! All done on the Q3? (Audio too?)

I thought you were Zakk Wylde at first when I saw you taking a chug of that brew! haha

Hey wanna arm wrestle?! LOL

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Video 1 rocked, looked like a good time and you were into it. Good bedroom rock.

Video 2 was cool because it had  Marshalls, pussy and beer in it, doesn't get any better than that.

Video 3 I really like the tone you dialed in.

What recording software and hardware interface are you guys using?


Thanks a lot Surf :Thumbs I think that with the VM and 800 any other Marshalls besides an original blue 30th Anniversary will have the bar set pretty high for joining my stable.  Those 2 heads w/a few overdrives covers pretty much everything I need. My drummer, Dan, is using Cubase (pirated of course :Pirate2 ) and a mid-level Tascam interface to his pc.  Because we're banging around on this project w/such a haphazard schedule we're not dragging anybody else or their gear into it, this has been grinding on since last October!

Slashwannabe1 wrote:
Erikk awesome videos man! Crushing tone!


Preesh for the props Slash, glad you're digging the noise my man :yea

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Great stuff Erikk! Especially Video 3! All done on the Q3? (Audio too?)

I thought you were Zakk Wylde at first when I saw you taking a chug of that brew! haha

Hey wanna arm wrestle?! LOL


Ha ha ha ha!!  Yeah Frank, it wasn't long after I killed my coffee on the way over to Dan's that the brews started poppin :chug Not so great for your timing & attention span but knocking back a couple always loosens me up just right.  Man there is no way I can just sit there for hours on end playing and not be quenched, it ain't gonna happen! All this was captured w/my Q3, loving that thing but I really need to invest in some rechargeable batteries and a power supply 'cuz it's mowing through my AA's like there's no tomorrow.

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Ha ha ha ha!!  Yeah Frank, it wasn't long after I killed my coffee on the way over to Dan's that the brews started poppin :chug Not so great for your timing & attention span but knocking back a couple always loosens me up just right.  Man there is no way I can just sit there for hours on end playing and not be quenched, it ain't gonna happen! All this was captured w/my Q3, loving that thing but I really need to invest in some rechargeable batteries and a power supply 'cuz it's mowing through my AA's like there's no tomorrow.


Woah! All that audio and video data on AAA batteries?! Cripes!! You definitely need the adapter for $25 it's not worth it but the bastards should have included it with the camera for $250 freakin' bucks!

And it's Miller time! Must take care of head!  :smash

Funny, how Zakk and some guys seem to be able to drink all day and night and stay level and still sound great. Most guys I jam with, play ok for an hour or so and after their third beer, their timing is way off, their volume jumps sky high and their tone and playing sucks ass. Recently one Hendrix emulator dude I know must have played a 30 minute grinding solo of Voodoo Chile that I thought I was gonna lose my mind if he played another minute...so he finally wraps it up, stopping dead towards the never ending end, the crowd is in a dead silence and he sings the final words... "and she's buyyyying a stairwayyy to Heaven!"

Beating the worlds longest solo by miles... :barf

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Funny, how Zakk and some guys seem to be able to drink all day and night and stay level and still sound great. Most guys I jam with, play ok for an hour or so and after their third beer, their timing is way off, their volume jumps sky high and their tone and playing sucks ass.


Wow only 3 beers!

My last jam I had 6-7 beers and the recording was one of the tightest I we've had lol. I usually bring 2 40oz beer bottles to a jam and my drummer drinks coffee. I usually only start feeling the effects after 9 beers. I find drinking beer helps sooth me while I play and if you are jamming hard you work it off and even after 2 40oz bottles I still won't even probably have it on my breath let alone in my blood stream after a 2 hour jam.

I have an unfair advantage... I am from Wisconsin lol we are only 2nd in the world to Germany for beer consumption and we have a population of 4.5 million compared to Germanys 80 Million people. Me and my buddies tried to enter a drinking contest in Florida and they carded us and our ID's of course said "Wisconsin" on them and they flat out refused us for the competition because it would be unfair.

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You guys are a trip!

Y'know Frank, VooDoo Chile is the one and only song I ever played that got a tip thrown at me.  I mean, it's fun to get in the zone and wail but when you're stepping on Phish's toes for song-stretching it definitely gets painful.  I try to mix the Jimi & Stevie versions but keep it reasonable on how long I wank-on w/the solo and middle jam SRV added.  The last time I played it w/my cover band was to give our singer a break and eat up some set time (damn bass player F'd up War Pigs so bad I refused to do it anymore) so we're jamming as a 3-piece... I pull off one of my best solos and when I get back to the mic and look down to switch off my wah there's a f*&#in' $100 bill laying next to my pedalboard :yea  
Man I was stoked, had to snap it up quick though before the rest of the band saw it and demanded a split! ha ha haa

Slash that's hilarious about the drinking contest, you Wisconsinites must be brutal suds-slammers to get barred from a drink-a-thon! :beerme

I am hoping to get some footage of our bass player doing his tracks, solo tracking (more 2466 time) and some of the vocals and/or mixing so keep an eye out for updates... maybe start a new thread for it since this one's getting a little buried.

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Great videos. VM & 800 ... some of my fave amp beeing used.
Sounds really good ... keep those videos coming !

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