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 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100 
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It was just my job to faithfully recreate it as close as modern electrical safety spec allows.


That is intersting because when my tech took a look inside my JTM45/100 clone he said it was vintage correct BUT something about how it was wired would not pass todays electrical code and could shock the shit out of you. I didn't quite understand what he was talking about but he said he could mod it to eliminate the hazard if I wanted.  :dunno  All I know is it sounds killer.

I am sure the Marshall reissue has all the correct safety already built into it.


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that's one sweet build... i don't doubt it sounds killer


Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:03 am
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Probably an output valve blown.

Try plugging a 16 ohm 4 x 12 into each output in turn (each output is driven by its own 50W output transformer and output valve pair). Remember, if you use two 16 ohm cabs, to leave each output's impedance selector set to 16 ohms because they are not in parallel for the reason given above. Do both outputs exhibit the volume drop or just one side?

REMEMBER: don't play the amp unless at least one output is connected to a speaker cab load!


Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:40 am
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
essay wrote:
As luck would have it, it looks like I'll have to take it into (dreaded) GC this weekend for repair. Luckily it's still under warranty. Not sure exactly what's going on, but it was blowing the H.T. fuse. The only noticeable symptom is a dimming of the power light and a drop in signal when it's turned up 6 or over (where I typically run it for recording). When it hits 10, the signal totally drops out. I initially thought it was due to having only one of the cabs plugged in, but it does it even when both are fired up. Maybe the PT?? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes internals. Hopefully something simpler. Nothing burning (that I can smell). Maybe a tube issue. I know this one sat on the floor for awhile prior to purchase, and may  have had some abuse / improper load matching. Any ideas?

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I'd bet the issue is related to tubes, most likely power tubes.  That's far more likely than a transformer.


Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:12 am
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
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Probably an output valve blown.

Try plugging a 16 ohm 4 x 12 into each output in turn (each output is driven by its own 50W output transformer and output valve pair). Remember, if you use two 16 ohm cabs, to leave each output's impedance selector set to 16 ohms because they are not in parallel for the reason given above. Do both outputs exhibit the volume drop or just one side?

REMEMBER: don't play the amp unless at least one output is connected to a speaker cab load!


Thanks for the replies guys. It does appear to be an output tube. I popped the back and saw that power tube 3 (from left to right) was glowing a white type light from the bottom. Tube 4 was glowing a little bluish towards the top. I'm guessing that's probably due to the bad tube in 3.

Steve, I'm real careful about never powering up without a load. That's not say that it didnt happen a few times when it was sitting in the store, but hopefully not. As to your question about volume drop.... yup, only on the high treble channel. Normal channel was fine. I guess a tube replacement is in order. Should I be looking at a matched quartet, or would a matched duo work?

I have run it pretty hot while recording (up in the 8 or 9 range). I'd be willing to bet less than 2 or 3 hours,max. I'm hopeful that's there is no underlying issue that's causing the tubes to blow. Thanks again for the assistance and suggestions!

Steve


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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
If the Normal channel is fine then the problem is not output valves but more than likely your V1 preamp valve. Specifically the side that is fed by the High Treble input, (it's a double triode remember). Before you do anything else, just replace V1 (the first preamp valve) and see if that cures your problem.


Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:00 pm
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Thanks for the tip. That would be great if it was only the preamp tube. Thanks for all of the free tech support advice!! I really appreciate the assistance and hope I'm not becoming too much of a PITA.... I'll give that a shot and see how it goes.

Steve


Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:00 pm
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I tried a few different things, but the problem persists. There was definitely a blown power tube in the 3 position. I also tried replacing preamp tubes 1, then 2 and 3 (and all 3 preamp tubes), but no luck . It appears to only be happening on Channel 1. When the volume goes past 8.5, it starts crackling and then cuts out entirely (9 and above). Anyone have any ideas? I guess KORG USA is the distributor here, and maybe I need to contact them directly. I contacted my dealer that I purchased it through, but they stated that I needed to contact Marshall for any warranty service. I'm hoping that parts aren't too hard to replace with such a limited run of this series. I could try to find someone local to take a look at it, but I'm afraid that would void the warranty.


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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Are you saying that when you plug into the 'High Treble' channel 1 input you get this problem but when you plug into the 'Normal' channel 2 input you don't?

If so, it could be the High Treble 'Loudness 1' pot needs replacing (or maybe just cleaning!) if swapping out V1 hasn't done the trick.


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I'll give that a shot....thanks Steve!

-- Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:35 am --

Just an update on my issue. Power tube was fried, and there was a loose connection/solder on the presence pot that was intermittent. 4 weeks and $400 later, but I'm still a happy camper (with Gold Lion's). The pots were allegedly pretty dirty, but all is well in JTM 45/100 land. Thanks again for all of the suggestions and help throughout  the ordeal. I'm very happy to be up and recording with it again :clap


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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
I see quite a few pics with all of the inputs plugged up with short cables.  I've never owned a vertical input amp; so I'm wondering why it is done.


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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Murfdog wrote:
I see quite a few pics with all of the inputs plugged up with short cables.  I've never owned a vertical input amp; so I'm wondering why it is done.


On the early vertical input amps there were 2 channels (not to be confused with modern 2 channel amps), one was bright and the other darker. By connecting the inputs you could blend the 2 channels (via their seperate preamp knobs) to get a wider variety of tones.

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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100 hum
Hi All new member here i have a jtm45/100 40th setup. the problem is it hums a little nothing serious but still a little bit annoying the hum goes up and down with the bias ie higher bias settings hum cold bias setting less hum. i have other amps one which is similar and is dead quiet, tried replacing tubes does not change. the problem still persists when using one or two cabs, do these amps have some sort of gound loop going on as there is two output transformers.


any ideas would be much appreciated.

thanks in advance


Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:47 am
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Welcome to the forum captaincrunch. :Thumbs

There is no ground loop.

It could be something as simple as lead dressing.


Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:41 pm
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Hi Steve thanks for the reply could you explain about the lead dressing and what to look for, if i could just get rid of the hum i would be well happy and would be  a lot better for recording this wonderful amp.

thanks

captain crunch

ps think you did an awesome job on this and the super 100jh which i also own :Cheers


Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:17 am
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Post Re: 40th Anniversary JTM 45/100
Always on handwired amps the position of the wires from turret board to valve bases or pots or wherever can be very sensitve and need to be dressed to minimise hum and crosstalk. Simply moving a wire slightly can get rid of an extraneous noise picked up from a neighbouring conductor. A common source of hum can be the heater wires if they have been disturbed and/or their twisting has been compromised.


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