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El Jefe (Admin) Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:02 pm Posts: 4235 Location: Kennewick WA |
MKB wrote: Indeed, very nice video. I was going to make a biasing video but you beat me to it. Well, if it's found necessary to have a 2466 bias video, I could do that.One thing I'd suggest adding, is if you use the speaker as a load while biasing, be sure and turn the master volume to zero to lower the possibility of noise issues while having the chassis out of the wood. I would encourage you to still make one for the 2466 so we don't have guys setting the tubes to hot. Plenty of room for another video here. _________________ My Gear My Music Drum Backing Tracks |
| Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:38 am |
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Godfather Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:44 am Posts: 2824 Location: Marshall Amplification, Bletchley, England |
GIZMO wrote: hey Steve thanks for your kind words....i know my english sucks but i'm trying...if i died touching those resistors at least i would be a dead fried rockstar... : something like fried chicken you know.... anyway i have a question for you if you don't mind....when i biased my VM i noticed that i had almost 2mA difference between the 2 tubes i'ts ok that? i think the stock tubes are pretty well matched.....how much would be the biggest difference between the 2 tubes if it is not matched? thank you 2mA is pretty decent. As long as both sides are between 43 and 48mA on the 2266/C and 72 and 80mA on the 2466 it is within tolerance. That is not to say you would have to change them if they eventually drift outside these ranges, they are just the figures we set for the new valves when the amps leave the factory. You can see that the range is within -10% of the highest figure. It's not recommended exceeding the highest figure! Bottom line is if it sounds good then stick with it until it doesn't; then think about changing valves if you can't get it in check with a rebias. |
| Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:41 am |
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Garage Band Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:51 pm Posts: 30 |
That's a great thing to be able to do myself! I'm just wondering about specific parts that you can or cannot touch. After you have done the BIAS adjustment and turned the power off the amp, is it ok to touch it immediatedly, or are there certain areas that I shouldn't touch during fitting it back into the wooden chassie?
I still have some years to live, so I want to make sure what parts I can or cannot touch. ![]() One other question I have is if the different Power tubes differ too much, what shall I do then? _________________ Marshall VM 2266 BLACK Marshall 425A BLACK Vox AD50VT 2007 Gibson Les Paul Standard w Alnico II pro pickups 2007 Ltd EC1000 w EMG pickups 2006 Ibanez V70 Acoustic |
| Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:34 am |
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Godfather Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:44 am Posts: 2824 Location: Marshall Amplification, Bletchley, England |
My advice would be don't touch anything else other than CON10 (the test points) and TRIM 1 (the adjust point) to be safe, even after you have just turned the amp off. You can leave the amp to cool down for a half hour or so after switch off but still only handle the chassis when reassembling.
By the way for anyone who's interested, the middle pin (pin 2) of CON10 is also a ground point so don't worry if you touch the outer pins to this middle pin by mistake when probing; there's only a very small potential between them (the bias voltage!)so no damage can occur. You would simply be shorting out the 1 ohm resistor that the bias voltage is developed across in order to measure it (so the reading would be 0V). When we bias at the factory, we have a plug that fits onto CON10 then we simply select which side we want to measure, the centre pin is obviously where the plug gets it's ground reference. Using this middle pin would be a bit fiddly when doing it with meter leads so that is why it is recommended to anchor the meter ground lead to any convenient point on the chassis for a ground reference (use a croc clip or the cage nuts make a good anchor point) thereby facilitating only having to probe with one hand which is safer! Also you can measure and adjust simultaneously. I would also recommend standing behind the amp during this whole procedure and steady your hand by resting it on the rear panel near the speaker outputs as opposed to hovering over some pretty lethal voltage areas if you approach it from the front (which I always do but I know the keep outs!). Don't do this in an environment where you could be distracted, like children or pets running around as one slip and by God you'll know about it if your probe hits a high voltage part of the circuit. BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DON'T EVER GET COMPLACENT WHEN WORKING ON HIGH VOLTAGE AMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:32 am |
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Bedroom Player
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:54 pm Posts: 10 |
Hi all,
Thanks for the video! wonderful! Now here is a question for you steved. I talked with a professional electrian about biasing and he said to wear rubber dishwashing gloves while performing the bias. So in wearing the rubber dishwashing gloves while biasing if your hand does touch lethal voltage would I be ok? Thanks! |
| Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:58 pm |
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Godfather Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:44 am Posts: 2824 Location: Marshall Amplification, Bletchley, England |
beachroadbum wrote: Hi all, Thanks for the video! wonderful! Now here is a question for you steved. I talked with a professional electrian about biasing and he said to wear rubber dishwashing gloves while performing the bias. So in wearing the rubber dishwashing gloves while biasing if your hand does touch lethal voltage would I be ok? Thanks! It is an option and they would indeed insulate you from the high voltage ,but, they wouldn't do anything to protect other components from being fried if you short them by letting your probe slip in the wrong place. I thinkl this could be an issue if you don't feel you have to be as careful anymore! |
| Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:13 am |
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Bedroom Player
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:54 pm Posts: 10 |
Right on Steve!
Thanks. |
| Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:39 am |
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Pub Band Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:00 pm Posts: 84 Location: State College PA |
Hi- I've biased a JVM before but not the VM. Just curious- the JVM has two trim pots- one for each set of tubes. Does the single trim pot adjust all 4 four tubes at once in the 2466?
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| Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:23 pm |
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Godfather Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:44 am Posts: 2824 Location: Marshall Amplification, Bletchley, England |
Yes. Just ensure both pins (1 and 3) measure within the recommended range 72 to 80 mVDC. They may or may not both be the same depending on how well matched they are but as long as they fall within these figures it's within factory spec.
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| Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:13 pm |
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Pub Band Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:00 pm Posts: 84 Location: State College PA |
SteveD- Thanks! Half the fun I have playing guitar is learning about how to maintain my gear!
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| Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:11 pm |
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Private Parties Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:33 pm Posts: 125 Location: Edinburgh, UK. |
Folks, would anyone be willing to make a video to show us how to bias 2246? If this has been done already I apologize! Can anyone post a link to it please?
If not, while you have all the guts out and the camera on, can you point to this bits that could kill you if you touch them and explain why. Obviously, I'm far too cowardly to give this a go myself, but it might be useful for others. Cheers. _________________ Guitars - 2002 Gibson Les Paul Standard, 1996 Gibson Les Paul Studio, 1993 Fender Std Stratocaster USA, 1983 Squier Stratocaster MIJ, 1991 Washburn N2 MIJ Amps - 1973 WEM Dominator, 1985 Marshall MOSFET Lead 100 head, 1994 Marshall VS100 Head, 2009 Marshall Vintage Modern 2466 head, 2009 Marshall Class 5, Marshall JCM900 1960A & 1960B Cabinets Effects -Boss ME-5, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby |
| Mon May 03, 2010 3:02 am |
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Garage Band Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:50 pm Posts: 37 |
DANG IT! The video for biasing the VM has been removed!
Can someone either re-post it or do a new video. I just assumed it would always be there for when I was ready to bias my 2266 so I didn't bother paying enough attention to the details when I watched it the first time awhile ago. _________________ '05 Gibson 1959 Historic Reissue Les Paul '01 Fender American Vintage 62 Stratocaster Marshall Vintage Modern 2266 and 425A (Purple!) Sweet Sound Mojo Vibe (Also purple!) Himmelstrutz Elektro Art Fetto Xotic FX RC Booster Fulltone Fulldrive 2 Real McCoy Custom RMC-3 Wah Maxon PhaseTone |
| Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:33 pm |
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Private Parties Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:33 pm Posts: 125 Location: Edinburgh, UK. |
It's time to bias the 2466 folks.
Anyone have a link to a video or pictures? I've had a search but most seem to be removed. Ta in advance. _________________ Guitars - 2002 Gibson Les Paul Standard, 1996 Gibson Les Paul Studio, 1993 Fender Std Stratocaster USA, 1983 Squier Stratocaster MIJ, 1991 Washburn N2 MIJ Amps - 1973 WEM Dominator, 1985 Marshall MOSFET Lead 100 head, 1994 Marshall VS100 Head, 2009 Marshall Vintage Modern 2466 head, 2009 Marshall Class 5, Marshall JCM900 1960A & 1960B Cabinets Effects -Boss ME-5, Boss GE-7, Dunlop Crybaby |
| Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:16 am |
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